Friday, August 29, 2003

more arnold, more MP bullshit

my response to a poster on a list:

Hi, XXX

> A woman close to me used to be into group sex with ice hockey
> players. She was seeking them out, and there was no history of child
> abuse or other forms
> of sexual abuse. I am no fan of Arnold, but rape is a serious allegation
> for
> which you have no evidence.

Few things....

1) if you note the way I worded my original comment, I used the word, "apparent" admission of a gang-rape. Perhaps I placed this word in the wrong place. I could have said admission of an "apparent" gang-rape.

2) you are correct about "evidence" as measured by today's standards, none of arnold's DNA nor a victim to say, "yup, he is the one."

3) those two things said, I stand by the intent of my original post for the following reasons:

-what Arnold himself said about the incident itself:

"...there was a black girl who came out naked. Everybody jumped on her and took her upstairs, where we all got together. Asked by Manso if he was talking about a "gang bang," Schwarzenegger answered, "Yes..." Yeah, that sounds like willing participation on her part! Bullshit. Note that if at ANY time she said, NO, and anyone continued, no matter how interruptus it was, that constitutes rape, pure and simple. The entire notion of men not being able to control themselves once they start having sex is ridiculous and serves nothing more than an excuse for men to get away with sexual assault. Note, also, that I am in no way convinced, based on what Arnold himself said that she was indeed, a "willing participant" from the get go. He did NOT say it was "group sex," he admitted it was a "gang-bang" -- that does NOT imply mutual consent, by any means.

-the notion of women wanting sex with a lot of men, IMO is much more of an urban myth, male fantasy than anything having to do with reality. I think it is one perpetrated by men for their own benefit and to relieve any feelings of guilt whenever there is mention of sexual assault. Hence, the ever-popular, "Well, why was she dressed like that?" or, in this case. "Why did she come down naked? Doesn't she know how men will react? A naked woman in the midst of a group of body-builders is begging to have sex." Really? Could she have been traumatized for some reason and came out publicly without any clothes? Perhaps she was suffering from some kind of mental illness and she wasn't aware of what was going on. Isn't it the height of presumptuousness and privilege to think that if a man sees a woman naked that she it asking for him to have sex with her?????? Again, Bullshit.

-again, I wonder how race plays a factor in this. Arnold specifically mentions that she was "black." Notions of white oppression aside, let's, once again, switch the scenario. Imagine some now famous Black film star, who recounts the VERY same story, but the woman is white. We don't know the race of the other body-builders that participated with Arnold, but in my revised scenario, imagine if they, too were Black. Now, imagine if our now famous, Black film star said, "...there was a WHITE girl who came out naked. Everybody jumped on her and took her upstairs, where we all got together. Asked by Manso if he was talking about a "gang bang," BLACK FIM STAR answered, "Yes..."

nah, no rape at all, just good ole clean fun, that's all.

Sorry, XXX, don't buy it. Granted, no freakin DNA, but whether or not a rape occurred? I don't need no stinkin' DNA to know something happened, that in all likelihood involved sex without her consent/will...in other words, rape. IMO, to conclude otherwise is to perpetuate myths that contribute to violence against women.

john

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